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Roger

trunky@stressed-out.org BS5


May 29, 07 - 11:44 PM
History of "The Lord Raglan"

I wonder if anyone can supply information on the "Lord Raglan" public house No. 1 Nags Head Hill?

Legend has it being a pub for c.150 years and previously a pair of cottages for another c. 150 years. Personally, looking at the building, I would be suprised if it was more than 150 years old.

Information on old publicans, rumours, stories, all appreciated.

Roger
Roger

BS5


May 30th, 2007 - 9:34 PM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

This is proving to be a tough one!

Some digging has turned up a list of former licencees as follows

1871 - 74. S. Bush
1883. J. Bilton
1893. George Emery
1897 - 1904. John Davies
1906. George Bartlett
1909. Joseph Leadbeater
1914. Albert Ayland
1917 - 21. Matilda Ayland
1925 - 38. Gilbert Hudd
1944 - 53. Albert Bateman

Also a Plan for some building work (additions) submitted by (J Wallace)Bristol United Breweries in 1905 held at Bristol record office, I think I'll have to visit there soon.

Thus far there is good support for the building existing, at least as a pub, for some 136 years.

Also one photograph at http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=2327187&uid=570503 about the 20th one down of the thumbnails on the left. I am guesstimating the picture to be about 1910, very little externally seems to have changed.
Dick

Fiji.   S.  Pacific


May 30th, 2007 - 10:17 PM
Bristol Pubs

The website "Bristol's Lost Pubs" has a wealth of info
even of no longer existent pubs. Even found where a
distant ancestor of mine was the landlord of The Rhubarb
in Queen Anne Rd.
Roger

BS5


May 30th, 2007 - 11:55 PM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

Thanks dick, been staring at page 30 for inspiration!!

http://www.bristolslostpubs.com/html/page30.htm

Another less obvious point, gleaned from the web is that, like Troopers Hill, prior to c.1860 the Lord Raglan would not have been in Bristol, but in Gloucestershire. Likewise Nags Head Hill seems to have been known as Nags Head Road, all add to the thrill of the chase :)
Liz



May 31st, 2007 - 12:40 AM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

I've found Albert Ayland for you. The clue was Matilda taking over the lease .. and the dates of course.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=357909
Can't find him in the 1901 census though. Oh well, maybe the headstone in Avonview will give us a clue.
Liz



May 31st, 2007 - 12:42 AM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

He might be Bertie Ayland in Dursley in the 1901 .. age 6 sounds about right.

Liz
Rob

BS5


May 31st, 2007 - 6:16 PM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

Roger makes a good point about boundaries. St George did not become part of the City of Bristol until 1897.
Rob

BS5


May 31st, 2007 - 11:29 PM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

The building that is the Lord Raglan is shown on the 1890 OS map - you can see that the front is set back from that of the adjacent buildings.
It is not there though on the copy of the Tithe map of 1845. That map shows a single house in the corner plot set well back from the roads.
Roger

BS5


May 31st, 2007 - 11:52 PM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

The 1840 map, the first 1" to the mile (updated from the 1830 map) shows a ((double width)) building which could well be the Inn. The map is attibuted to William Lander for the OS.

On this map Troopers Hill is Truebodies Hill.

Earlier maps were very selective in what was shown, seemingly to influence local landowners into buying the maps.
Liz



Jun 1st, 2007 - 11:55 PM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

On the 1889 map of Gloucestershire at http://www.old-maps.co.uk it looks like a double-width building too.

Rob, if the comment about St George being in Gloucestershire until 1897 .. I know! However, I couldn't find an Albert Ayland at all on the 1901 census .. just little Bertie who is really too young to be a Chief Petty Officer in 1915.

I have transcripts of the 1881 census on CD rom - I'll look them out over the weekend. Far too early for Albert & Matilda but we should find some of the others and the 1881 residents of the pub, of course.

Breaking news .. I think an Albert Edward Ayland married Matilda Down at Bristol in Q1 1893 ... the marriage cert ref is 6a 27. There are two marriages to a page (usually) and the 4 names for that ref are Bert and Mattie as above and William George Francis and Florence Eliza Rawlings. The easiest way to find out who married who is to buy the marriage cert, the cheapest is probably to look in the Parish Registers starting with St PipinJay I think. Details of what was "Bristol" prior to 1896 are here: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/bristol.html

And the HMS Halcyon, which young Albert served on (if I have the right man!) was a torpedo gunboat weighing about 1000 tons with a crew of 120.

The moist likely births I can find are in 1865 in Clifton for Albert and 1864 in Clifton for Matilda, making them almost 30 when they got married and Albert 50 when he died.

I know I'm playing here and not researching it properly, but it does look reasonably promising, don't you think?
Hmm...I've said that a few times before!
Roger

BS5


Jun 2nd, 2007 - 12:40 AM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

It brilliant Liz, any chance of a death listing for Matilda?

The manner and place of her death may well be significant, I can't say too much at this point!

Interestingly Carol's maiden name was Hudd and there was a Gilbert Hudd listed as a landlord.....I presume Hudd was a local name, isn't there a Hudds Vale road nearby?
Liz



Jun 2nd, 2007 - 2:23 PM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

Couldn't find her death as Matilda Ayland and I didn't find a remarriage.

Hudd had a very specific Southwestern distribution in 1881 and quite a surprising one in 1998. Have a play with this little toy:
http://www.spatial-literacy.org/UCLnames/Map.aspx?name=HUDD&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name

More later
Liz
Andy

BS5


Feb 18th, 2008 - 2:29 PM
Re: History of "The Lord Raglan"

I have a rather late entry to add to this discussion. My Old next door neighbour, Iris Hudd who sadly passed away a few years ago, was born in the pub. Her father was Gilbert. Sorry I can't be more specific with dates. My parents who still live inthe area will know that and I will ask them.


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